Even We Don’t Know What the Phenomenon Is
Lehto Files:
Even after 34 years in the CIA with access to classified UAP programs, Jim Semivan admits: “We don’t know what the phenomenon is.”
In this eye-opening conversation, former CIA Operations Officer Jim Semivan shares why the intelligence community remains baffled by UAPs despite 80 years of study. As co-founder of To The Stars Academy and a veteran of the National Clandestine Service, Jim offers an unprecedented insider’s perspective on humanity’s most perplexing mystery.
🎯 Key revelations from this discussion:
🔹 Why his personal UAP encounter in the 1990s changed everything
🔹 The real reason presidents don’t get full UAP briefings
🔹 How “the phenomenon” defies our understanding of physics and consciousness
🔹 Why disclosure is far more dangerous than the public realizes
🔹 The legacy programs that have studied this since the 1940s
🔹 How UAPs demonstrate capabilities that suggest reality itself is malleable
🔹 The “wicked problem” that makes this unsolvable with current science
🔹 Why even those with cosmic clearances say “we don’t know”
Jim doesn’t claim to have answers – instead, he reveals why even those on the inside are struggling to comprehend something that appears to be “classically indifferent” to humanity while demonstrating godlike capabilities.
“Disclosure means scaring seven-year-olds,” Jim explains, as he walks us through why the government’s 80-year silence might be more about helplessness than conspiracy.
This isn’t another UFO interview. It’s a philosophical exploration of what happens when the world’s most powerful intelligence agency encounters something beyond human comprehension.
Chapters:
00:00 Opening – Jim’s UAP Experience in the Early 90s
04:32 Finding the Invisible College Inside CIA
08:24 The Hole in His Neck & Medical Evidence
14:44 How the Government Has Handled UAPs Since 1947
19:52 The Problem with Catastrophic Disclosure
25:12 Why It’s the Wickedest Problem – No One Knows
31:28 Disclosure Could Collapse Civilization
36:56 “They View Us as Property” – The Phenomenon’s Nature
42:48 National Security & International Programs
48:00 The Phenomenon Controls Disclosure
53:12 Positive Effects of Disclosure
58:24 UAPs Beyond Nuts and Bolts – Consciousness
1:03:44 Intentions of the Phenomenon
1:11:56 Jake Barber’s Skywatch Program
1:16:12 To The Stars Academy Origins
1:25:44 Advice for Podcasters & Researchers
1:36:32 Top CIA Stories & Career Reflections
1:42:36 What It Means to Be Human
YouTube link: https://youtu.be/Gb0QsymVCcs?si=KzP5IBhKcBblW_jN